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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Getting enough waste oil to run the house
« on: December 24, 2011, 02:27:19 pm »
No, as far as it being a pain in the ass,

It all adds up, and you will find if you get set up and put the word out folks will bring you oil, thats real nice, as far as enough oil ?

I have been wondering what a average consumption rate would be ? how much stock pile you would need,

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Getting enough waste oil to run the house
« on: December 22, 2011, 11:33:43 am »
Neil,

I have run into the same situation, the larger companies are usually inclined to have professional recyclers come pick up the oil,

Even pay for the service, So what your best bet is is find smaller outfits, Logging operations, small mechanic shops, Transmission shops, if they do not burn the oil themselves they are all to happy to get rid of it,

There are some transportation issues that you may wish to look into , for instance you need special permits to transport more then 100 gallons, in 1 container,

Its okay to have more then a 100 gallons if in separate containers, So 55 gallon drums,

or so I have heard,

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Waste oil from airplanes
« on: December 14, 2011, 03:23:23 pm »
I did a little reading about lead in used oil,

there is a file called Used oil in Bunker fuel, and the allowable amount of lead is 100 parts per million, and 50 parts per million in CA

I dont know how your going to figer out how much lead is in the stuff but as long as its less then 100 parts per million,

Burn it !!!

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: Waste oil from airplanes
« on: December 13, 2011, 11:18:24 am »
Hello all,

I've been told that waste oil from airplane engines (reciprocal engines, not jets) tends to put off more soot and ash due to the aviation fuel's higher lead content than regular fuels.  Most of the fuel they use is called '100 low lead'. And while it's low lead, it apparently still has lead. 

To anyone's knowledge, is this an issue?  I imagine it shouldn't be, as the oil and the gas don't mix in the engine. But I think the guy who told me this was referring to small amounts of waste gas that the guys in the shop throw into the waste oil drums.

Thanks for your input.

Neil

Na

Burn it, for me soot and ash is from a malfunctioning burner unit, not the type of oil used, with the strict maintanence schedules followed by aviation mechanics that oil is premo,

And the waste gas, Burn it, as long as there is enough oil mixed in with it, I dont know if there is a rule of thumb as far as the amount of gas in your oil but 10% gas wouldnt worry about it a bit,


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Welcome Center / Re: Legality of using a waste oil burner in one's home
« on: December 12, 2011, 12:17:15 pm »
Howdy,

I did a quick search and found this from the Lanair folks

Is a Waste Oil Heater Legal in my area?

In most cases, burning your used oil in a Lanair Waste Oil Fired Heater is perfectly legal, however, there are some scenarios where this may not be the case.

* The EPA regulations in the America allow the on-site burning of waste oil.
* NFPA #21: Oil burning equipment, allows waste oil heaters.
* California and New York City outlaw burning of used oil.
* Check with local fire department and ensure you inform them that units are U.L. listed.
* No waste oil boilers are allowed in Massachusetts.
* New Jersey requires a Permit.

* Note: International customers should check their local regulations.

If you have specific questions in regards to this, please call us and ask a sales Representative.



Sounds like if you get a permit, you will be good to go,

Frank

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User Projects & Pictures / Re: Some success with my heater project.
« on: November 26, 2011, 12:07:15 pm »
Neat set up Steve

Now

"I am going to start with the fuel control valve. I am looking around for a readymade solution. If I dont find one I have a rough idea of how to build one myself."


This is the key, basically need to find or build the same thing, a fuel control valve that adjusts itself according to what is needed,

To often it is hard to find just the right burn rate, either to hot or to cold,

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: need help
« on: November 10, 2011, 10:50:35 am »
Pre heating the air,

No need, Cold air is actually desired, More dense, has more O2 in it, to burn, as mentioned the blower portion would work,,


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Welcome Center / Re: Hello from Idaho
« on: November 01, 2011, 03:34:48 pm »
The winch motor was one thing I couldn't figure out what it might do. Looking forward for more information.
Wow! 200' that's a  long ways.
doug

Yes 200 feet, I think that I read somewhere you want to limit the travel to 150 but with a fuel supply that folks give me, Why not ?

The winch motor is a new set up, I used to run the scraper or de coke shaft with a windshield wiper motor, it worked okay but sometimes would still plug up,

The winch motor was a broken piece of junk, had one of the planetary ring gears loused up, so ground off the gears and only operating it off of 1 planet gear, so it spins preety fast, and shakes and knocks all the coagulated junk that builds up in the delivery pipe,

the timer, It works off of  a little air compressor off of a car that had air ride suspension, hooked to a pressure switch, I can control the bleed off of the compressor to get the desired 1/2 hour bleed down, and when the pressure switch is engaged it powers a starter solenoid it takes it 5 seconds to build from 90 to 125 giving me my "Run time" on the scraper,

I know that I could build a electronic timer but not that savy, on that stuff, and its just junk kicking around, Actually the whole stove itself was pulled out of a scrap pile,

I just finished and in the process of testing running off a normally closed solenoid, that is powered up by 3 thermal switches, Redundant high temp off switches  , and 1 90* cold off, so far so good although I may have to open the solenoid up a tad more, been drilling the orifices to get the desired burn rate,

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Welcome Center / Re: Hello from Idaho
« on: October 31, 2011, 11:11:02 am »
Frank,
Welcome to the site. Very interesting looking burner. Can you give us details as to how your burner operates?
doug

Sure Doug, as I have time will take more pictures and explain the components , its a gravity feed system, fuel is dropped into the injection pipe that is mounted on the stove @ a slight angle, as the fuel travels down the pipe it is intensely pre heated, the refracting cap redirects the flame back underneath the incoming fuel, there is a scraper motor, (the warn winch) that de cokes the pipe every half hour or so, set up on a unique timing system, runs for 5 seconds every half hour and cleans the pipe,

The forced air is just a heater blower motor off of a old Rig, that I can control the air flow,

thats the burn end of things,

Inside the stove is 60 feet of steel tubing coiled up that has coolant running thru it , 3 circulating pumps move the fluid back to a 798 square foot concrete slab 200 feet away,

a Radiant heat floor,

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: What do recyclers do with waste oil?
« on: October 30, 2011, 03:26:54 pm »
Does anyone know what happens to oil that gets recycled at the public dump spots or the stuff that in & out oil change stations recycle?

I have never seen a bottle of new oil that says "made from 25% recycled oil".  I wonder if it gets turned into other tyeps of lubricants, or does it get burned somewhere?

From what I have heard Russ is that the large recyclers sell the oil to large ocean going vessels that burn the oil in huge diesel engines,

And Vavoline makes a "Next Gen" oil made from 50 % recycled oil, just showed up @ the Napa bout 3 months ago

http://nextgen.valvoline.com/

I purchased a quart to inspect it, What you may expect to find is a darker type oil, but no this stuff is clear, very clear almost has less of a brownish oil look then new oil ??


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Welcome Center / Re: Hello from Idaho
« on: October 30, 2011, 02:54:00 pm »
Looking good!  That looks like quite a setup.  Getting things perfected is always a little tricky, but when they work good, lots of heat!

Enjoy the forum and hope to see more about your heater.

Thanks Russ, Yes lots of heat, after playing around with this I discovered the hotter the better as far as a clean burn,

Trouble is finding the components inside the stove to handle the high temp, I use very thick walled stainless tubes, but every season, have to change these components out ,

2 things I am considering is a Baked on ceramic coating or this fiberglass wrap for furnace components, for the Fuel delivery pipe, and refracting Cap,



The Flame itself is "White hot" the components get "Red hot" and the stainless holds up just fine till it cools off, then a layer flakes off, so one of the reasons to get it to run all the time

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Welcome Center / Hello from Idaho
« on: October 29, 2011, 12:34:43 pm »
Howdy Folks,

Name is Frank, and have been working with burning oil , researching and designing a burner, I didnt know there was a forum devoted to this stuff,

Over the years I have worked and reworked the system , and think I have a preety good design, my goal is to get it to run continues , 24 , 7 

currently working on some safety features, a hot off, and cold off, I mostly use car parts for the components, fans solenoids , ect,


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