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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 16, 2015, 12:57:19 am »
The fluctuation can cause it to shut down. The cad cell (flame sensor) needs to a see a good bright flame or it will tell the primary to shut down. Every time the oil pressure drops it sees dark and if it sees enough dark it locks out. Sucking air is the #1 problem I see with heaters. The smallest amount of air can cause all kinds of problems.

Do not bypass the cad cell unless for test purposes only. If you leave it bypassed and the flame happens to go out the heater will keep running thinking there is still a flame and you will fill the firebox full of oil. I have seen this and it is a ugly mess and a potentially huge fire risk.

Make sure the cad cell is clean then work on the fluctuation issue.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 15, 2015, 05:21:16 pm »
I would definitely redo the whole pump setup.

Pump on top of tank - 1/2" hex nipple screwed into pump - 3/4"male to 1/2" female swivel for Lenz outlet - 3/4" street L for Lenz inlet - 1 piece of 3/4" black pipe long enough for the p/u screen to be at roughly 3" off the bottom of tank - 3/4" check valve goes on pipe and p/u screen screws in to it.

Loctite #2 gasket sealer for threads and tighten everything tight plus another turn.

This way when it comes time to clean filters you only have to loosen the 1/2" swivel to remove with stand pipe so both filters get cleaned at the same time. 

The gauge on the burner should go up to set pressure and not bounce around at all. I have had suction side air leaks but no oil leaking out. It can be quite frustrating so I eliminate as many fitting as possible and plumb it the way I do. 

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 15, 2015, 03:34:06 pm »
Oil pressure bouncing = sucking air somewhere between pump and suction screen. That gauge on the Lenz filter should be at 0" or somewhere in between to 10".

Oil pump plumbing is my #1 thing I tell my customers no ifs ands or butts about it, we are doing it my way.

Could you take a picture of the oil pump and tank setup ? Lets see if we can make any improvements in that area.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 14, 2015, 08:37:21 pm »
I would watch oil pressure and make sure it is not dropping. Did you get the Lenz filter with gauge that mounts before the pump with the heater ? Watch that gauge and if it starts dropping to 10" of vacuum you need to clean filters.

Another thing is compressed air. Is the compressor keeping up ok on the longer runs ? The air proving switch needs at least 30 psi to turn the pump on. I like to install an air filter regulator and set it at 50-60 psi.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 14, 2015, 05:38:26 pm »
You should clean it about every 750-1000 hours of use. I like to use a brush to clean the tubes. Those tubes are not really inlet/outlet, it is a 3 pass design and I have never gave it any thought as to the number of tubes in #2 and #3 pass.

How big of an adjustment did you make to the fan tabs ? They should have been close with the 100-140 settings. The fan might cycle depending how cold it is in the shop once warmed up it should level off.

Flame adjustment should still be the same and I can see having to make an adjustment due to it not being able to breath.
Air 14-16 psi
Oil according to length
Combustion air adjusted to bright flame with orange tips.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 13, 2015, 08:16:54 pm »
That is kinda of a odd spot to get hot. The flame goes forward and the heat travels through the tubes.

Is it drafting good ? Have you checked over the firebox and heat exchanger tubes real good to make sure there are no holes ?

If there is any holes, when the fan kicks in it blows back through the inside of the firebox causing issues.

I would pick air flow issue first. That fan might never have been cleaned its whole life. 




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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 13, 2015, 06:47:10 pm »
Good, we are moving in the right direction.

Does yours have the bladed fan or squirrel cage ? If it is a squirrel cage make sure it is good and clean. It does not take much dust/dirt to effect airflow.

I am glad I was helpful. I am here to help in anyway I can.

PS: You owe me.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 13, 2015, 06:12:59 pm »
When the dial hits 140 does the fan kick in and run ? After the fan is running does the temp continue to build ? It should maybe rise a little but level off.

Does the fan blow good and hard when it does kick in ?

Also has ash been cleaned recently, not at all, etc ? I just want to make sure and rule out plugged heat exchanger tubes.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 13, 2015, 05:46:02 pm »
Yes, the fan should fun continuously until cooled to where the lower tab is set.

Did you readjust the tabs like I mentioned earlier ?

How big of a flame do you have ? It should NOT hit the target, with the inspection door open flame should be 1/2-3/4 to target. Flame will grow when you close the door.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 13, 2015, 04:10:25 pm »
While you are at it lets double check the wiring if you have not already.

Orange wire will go wiring junction on side of heater to fan.

Red wire will go to yellow power cord, once inside the burner it goes to the little preheat block temp switch, once block is warmed to 120* +/- the other wire on the switch sends power to the primary control.


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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 13, 2015, 10:39:30 am »
Actually you need to go to #3.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 13, 2015, 10:04:06 am »
Once again I apologize for thinking we are both thinking the same.

I visualize the fan limit switch in the upright position when I describe it. On your heater it is laying on its right side. So when I say ' bottom right ' I mean that while looking at it in the upright position with the dial on top.

With all the different brands I work on they have it mounted differently so to make it easy in my head I remember it in the upright position.

Does that make sense ?

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 12, 2015, 11:04:19 pm »
If it hits 200* it kills power to the burner but the fan keeps running to cool the firebox. Once it cools off power is restored to the burner. Power runs through the fan limit switch first then to the burner.

Orange wire is power to the fan.

Red wire is power to the burner.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 12, 2015, 09:22:42 pm »
Orange and red are in the correct spot.

 The black wire should be in the bottom right hole.

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Waste Motor Oil / Re: My cb2800 won't start ... thoughts or ideas?
« on: February 12, 2015, 05:10:07 pm »
Has anybody messed with the wiring ?

The black wire should be on the right side.

Adjust your low tab to 100*-110*.

Adjust the middle tab to 140*.

Try that and see how it works.

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